Obama on abortion, Paul, and the Sermon on the Mount
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Monday, March 3, 2008
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Obama is not a right wing radical. Thanks for letting us know.
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"On the issue of abortion, that is always a tragic and painful issue," he said. "I think it is always tragic, and we should prevent it as much as possible .... But I think that the bottom line is that in the end, I think women, in consultation with their pastors, and their doctors, and their family, are in a better position to make these decisions than some bureaucrat in Washington. That's my view. Again, I respect people who may disagree, but I certainly don't think it makes me less Christian. Okay."
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So he's not for it but won't force his views on others.
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"I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them…"
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I guess he forgot the part of the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus said he hated homosexuals.
Obama has also stated that saving Terri Schiavo was wrong! He has also made statements of how he is against Israel!(heard that on WAFR). He will be used to destroy Ameica!
I have seen this coming in America for it has already been evident in the churches! Entertainment and tolerance! Christians get on your face before our Holy God and pray for this nation and the lost!
I think one of the reason you right-wingers are looked at so poorly by other is that you have no problem distorting someones words. The ends justifies the means when you are "in the fight" I guess.
Let's look at what Senator Obma said:
"Well, you know, when I first arrived at the Senate -- in the Senate that first year, we had a situation surrounding Terri Schiavo. And I remember how we adjourned with a unanimous agreement that eventually ALLOWED CONGRESS TO INTERJECT ITSELF INTO THAT DECISION-MAKING PROCESS OF THE FAMILIES. [my caps]
"It wasn't something I was comfortable with, but it was not something that I stood on the floor and stopped. And I think that was a mistake, and I think the American people understood that that was a mistake. And AS A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR I KNEW BETTER." [my caps]
So this is about the government NOT getting involved in the personal, private decisions of families for Obama. He felt that it was a mistake from a Constitutional stand point.
Now about the 51st state of Israel:
"My view is that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligates us to be helpful to them in the search for credible partners with whom they can make peace, while also supporting Israel in defending itself against enemies sworn to its destruction..."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/826665.html
By the way, before you get on your face before god, make sure the carpet is clean.
Annonymous,
Enough with the hate speech. Half of the stuff that you said is not true. Telling lies about people does not put you on the moral high ground. One of the most dispicable and cowardly things about talk radio in my opinion is that they let people say things that they know are not true just so it can damage someone. Even if you feel someone is wrong, the Christian way is to gently correct them, not make distortions hoping you destroy a person. Like these emails trying to make Obama a Muslim when he has stated he is a Christian. Him not reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, etc are just lame attempts by people that need to look at themselves instead of someone else. As I have said before, if Christians would love ALL people like they are suppose to, hate the sin and love the sinner, alot of this stuff would not exist. Jesus would not be for gay marriage, nor would He be for discriminating against gays because He knows we are all sinners and none worthy to cast a stone. Conservative Christians will embrace some of the most vile and dispicable people(i.e. Rush Limbaugh) whose sole purpose in life is to be devisive and try to destroy anyone else they do not agree with. It seems as if Republicans would be trying to fine tune McCain and come to grips with his adulterous past. Most times when folks step out of their house to talk about someone, they are ignoring all of the dirt they have themselves.
All candidates deserve to be challenged on their words, actions and beliefs. If Obama wins the nomination, Conservatives are going to have to make a choice if they are willing to stomach of all the hateful attacks that are going to come his way. The first time I have ever seen a defaced campaign sign was yesterday near Puckett on Hwy 18 and it was an Obama sign. Will conservatives turn a blind eye or in the case of talkshow host provide a forum for people on the fringe?
Matt,
Will you please post on your blog the open letter that you read on air(3/4/08) from the Princeton student. I think we could all benefit from reading again!
Thank you!
Praying for our nation and the lost.
Hey Matt,
You mentioned that Muslisms are normally "conservative" and would probably oppose same-sex "marriage," abortion, etc. And you do not understand why, then, should they support the Democrats?
In truth, Islam is not pro-life. On the contrary, the many suicide bombings clearly testify to an ethic of "means and end." Whatever action meets a desirable end (desirable as per Islamic law), then the means are justifiable.
The position of women in Muslim countries illustrates the lack of Islamic teaching on human dignity: from very libertine harems to very restrictive laws, Islam considers women as means to an end. In this case, Islam is not anti-abortion! A woman's pregnancy is neither her choice nor hers to terminate - these are all the man's prerogatives!
In fact, women are commodities in Islam, and a Muslim man can list a woman as his "property" while moving from one (Islamic) country to another.
The only Islamic "conservatism" is fatalism (or determinism): for a Muslim, everything is "Imsh'allah" - It is "God's Will" whether a Muslim should love or hate someone, or whether he should give life or kill it. Ultimately, it is "God's Will" that the entire world converts to Islam.
Muslims, therefore, will support anyone who would help to advance their cause... which is much more likely through liberal legislation favoring "minorities" in the country, or the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
To aedney and nogods/nomasters:
From 1st anonymos
Just research the TRUTH for yourself in the Bible. Yes all of us are sinners saved by grace.
Also, research the truth on Obama. Read for yourself the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew and Romans 1.
To take a life is wrong. Terry Schiavo could not speak for herself and unborn babies cannot speak for themselves. To aedney and nogods/nomasters, I am glad someone gave you life so you can speak your opinions; even if I don't agree. You have life, b/c someone gave you life and did not take it from you!
Obama has a deeper agenda than you are truly seeing. Sorry you don't see it.
Christians do have a hope and a future beyond what you see here on earth. Our future is with Christ Jesus. He is holding out His hands to you.
I suppose most politicians do to one degree or another. But so does the religious right.
The fundamentalist used Schiavo as a political football. The reason this went national was due to a family feud between the ex-husband and her family. Otherwise you would have never heard her name.
End of life decisions like hers are made all the time. It's not easy to "pull the plug" on a loved one.
You also said, "To take a life is wrong."
Does this apply to all the people Jehovah killed in the Old Testament?
To nogods/nomaster:
To take a life unjustly as Schiavo and the unborn is wrong. Terry S. was still married to her husband. The husband was seeing another woman while his wife was in this "state" of health and Terry's parents wanted her to live. The reason why the nation learned about her "state" of health was due to the legal process afforded in FL laws. All Americans with compassion focused their attention to those events, not just "Fundamentalists" looking for a "politcal football". No one knows how she might have been trying to talk, but could not get the words out to be heard.
Her life mattered to me , b/c all life matters to me. That is b/c the love of Jesus Christ. Which gives me the heart of compassion for others more than I have ever known!
God(Jehovah) is the Creator of all life. He is a just and sovereign God. If He saw fit that any should live or die it is His right as God to decide. (Even if you or I do not agree with it.)
The covenant of Jesus Christ is one of grace and it is offered to all who will receive it, but some will refuse His hand of grace. Jesus is a just and sovereign God.
Annonymous,
I think you have me mistaken, I am Pro-Life. I just think there is more to being Pro-Life than abortion. I personally just can not bring myself to stomach the disdain that Republicans/conservatives often direct toward the African American community. I listed several things that I have a serious problem with concerning Ronald Reagan and no one here even attempted to dispute them. He went to Philadelphia, MS talking about "states rights" ignoring the implications that would suggest because of the murders or the civil right's workers. He opposed the Martin Luther King Holiday and most disturbing, he said the Voting Rights Act was "humiliating to the South". None of those positions are "Pro-Life" in my opinion and they surely would disqualify him from being labeled "great".
Lastly, I do not mind people opposing Obama because of his position on abortion. But I personally find McCain's past adulterous behavior a concern. And do not forget, you guys thought Rudy Guiliani was going to be your candidate and he was Pro-Life and a serial adulterer.
To aedney:
From anonymos
It has nothing to do with Obama being African American. It has to do with the fact that he is pro-abortion(pro-choice)and you say you are Pro-Life; then how can you vote for him?
If you vote for someone b/c of their race, then what about the rest of the man. How will he handle a "crisis" in our nation(i.e. 9/11)? Will he raise taxes to pay for special interest groups(i.e. planned parenthood)? Does he really have a viable solution for energy problems(i.e. oil alternatives)?
It takes more than "pep rally" speeches to run a nation.
Martin Luther King was pro-life and he was a believer in Jesus Christ. I have known some great African American leaders in many gifted positions of occupation and I have read many of their writings.
I have several dear friends who are African Americans. I have had them as friends when it was not "popular" in the public.
My vote would have been for Huckabee. There is no way I could vote for Obama or Clinton, b/c of what they stand for and what they will give in to.
Being a leader means more than just where you came from, but where you are going with your life. It is standing up for what you believe when all is against you! Leadership is against popular opinion.
Annonymous,
I admit that I didn’t get deep into the Schiavo case at the time because of work related tasks that took up lots of my time. So I went back and reviewed some of the particulars about it. I found one part of the story very interesting:
“On the morning of February 25, 1990, at approximately 4:30 a.m. EST, Schiavo collapsed in a hallway of their St. Petersburg apartment. Firefighters and paramedics arriving in response to Michael's 9-1-1 call found her face-down and unconscious. She was not breathing and had no pulse. They attempted to resuscitate her, she was defibrillated several times, and she was transported to the Humana Northside Hospital. There she was intubated, ventilated, and eventually given a tracheotomy. The long period without oxygen led to profound brain injury ("anoxic-ischemic encephalopathy" noted at autopsy), severely damaging those parts of the brain[15] concerned with cognition, perception, and awareness.”
Given your belief that “If [God]He saw fit that any should live or die it is His right as God to decide. (Even if you or I do not agree with it.)” wouldn’t you agree that Schiavo was suppose to die in 1990 and that humans interfered with “God’s plan” for her?
The children that are aborted. Your god could save them. He could strike down the doctors and make it where they could not perform abortions. Maybe it is part of his plan to save them from a life of poverty, misery and lack of proper health care. After all, you believe that those children go right to heaven, right?
To paint Obama as being some sort of killer is terribly wrong. As I have pointed out he looked at it from a Constitutional standpoint. This is not a theocracy run by Pat Robertson....yet.
On the other items it won't be of any use to argue because I don't believe in Jesus for the same reasons you don't believe in Zeus, Krishna, or Allah.
To nogods/nomasters:
We all must face death at some point and time. Who do you know that can escape it?
Jesus Christ has overcome death by His resurrection from the grave and He has offered resurrection after death and eternal life.
There is no other offer made to man that can compare.
Annonymous,
You said:
"Jesus Christ has overcome death by His resurrection from the grave and He has offered resurrection after death and eternal life.
There is no other offer made to man that can compare."
Oh, thanks. I was wondering how I could escape death and spend eternity with people like Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker and Ted Haggard. :)
To nogods/nomasters,
I'll be praying for you. Take Care.
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Annonymous,
You seem to forget that the largest terrorist attacks this nation has had have been under Republican Administrations. 9/11 with George Bush and Marine barracks in Beirut under Reagan. To try an say we are less safe under Democrats is just not being accurate. And can you say that Bush has had a successful energy policy? I would love to know the topic of conversation in the meetings Cheney had with energy company execs. The "pep rally" comments and lack of substance stuff is disengenuous. George W. Bush did not exhibit knowledge or ability and all people did for him was lower the bar. I have no problem with you not voting for Obama, that is your choice. I have a choice as well and I laid out why I do not support the Republican Party. If your party has a problem debating in front of minority groups, I have a problem supporting it.
I am not of the opinion of nogods/nomasters. I just look at being a Christian totally different. I think that are a lot of people that say they love Jesus, but hate their fellow man. I do not want to associate with that.It is a choice, weighing things. Each party misses the mark by so much that the difference is neglegible. I am Pro-life, but I do not think you should kill abortion doctors. I do not promote homosexuality, but I know it is not right to discriminate against gays. Often times conservatives act like they are more Christian than others simply because they are conservatives/Republicans. I do not subscribe to that kind of thinking.
Lets dust this bad boy off for all to see...
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Leviticus 20:13
This is why Christians are so hateful towards homosexuals. According to them, the Bible is "breath of God". In this case, the "literal breath of God" tells us to kill homosexuals.
So on one hand, God tells us not to kill. On the other hand, he tell us to kill. What gives?
aedney,
I'm sure that we would disagree on several issues but I sure respect you and your Christianity because you obviously respect others. I think your version is what Christianity should be about, not all the shrill Republican/Fundamentalist hate that spews forth from the Religious Right these days.
It was Jesus who said that we should love our neighbor as ourselves.
I don't think love means denying children healthcare while looking like a "super Christian" for opposing abortion.
I don't think love means looking the other way while your chosen political party prostitutes itself to big tobacco.
I don't think love means making the lives of gays and lesbians difficult because you think the Bible gives you a licence to.
(Why not include heterosexual adultery in the "Defense of Marriage" ammendment?)
In short, love does not mean bashing someone over the head with a Bible till they do what you want them to do.
nogod,
I agree with that. I subscribe to the John Arthur Eaves perspective of being a Christian and a Democrat. Conservatives really lost a lot of credibility and high ground with the cast of characters they were willing to support this go round.
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