I SEE IT AS AN EASY "YES". THE QUESTION I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER TO IS "WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DO TO FIX THE BIGGER PROBLEM? AND HOW WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE, TURN YOUR MEMBERS OUT OF THE CHURCH IF THEIR MARRAIGE ENDS?" BUT ITS DEFFINATELY A TOPIC THAT NEEDS CONSTANT ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY AMONG CHRISTIANS, I THINK PEOPLE GO INTO MARRAIGE TO EASIY, NOT REALIZING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE "COVENANT" THEY ARE ENTERING INTO.
God warns over and over again not to be like the people around them. And over and over again they become like the people around them. Alas, the church has this same "over and over" problem...we reflect the values of the culture on this issue and others instead of the values of God.
I THINK PEOPLE GO INTO MARRAIGE TO EASIY, NOT REALIZING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE "COVENANT"
I'd agree with the statement above. Before increasing focus on the reactive side of the equation I'd like to see the church double or triple its effort on the front end, the proactive side. Help couples build stronger relationships from the outset. Quality assurance, not quality control.
They should follow the Catholic Church in this area. Marraige is a Sacramental union between a man a woman and God. This is not to be entered into or dissolved lightly
Yes, but there are far more bad tolerances; such as homosexuality, too much entertainment and not enough of God's word taught in youth groups( by Youth leaders). I know of a church in the tri-county area that was throwing out Bibles.
One idea that some communities have embraced: Covenant marriages. Local pastors agree that they will not marry couples who have not gone through comprehensive pre-marital counseling. Couples may still be married by judges, but the churches bind together to set a higher standard for marriages sanctioned by the church. This not only helps the couples, it sends a signal to the community: We ARE different than the culture. Would it work here? Stuart Kellogg
Forrest Thigpen tried that covenant marriage idea here in the Metro Area some years ago and has data to suggest that it was successful. With so many other things, it needs continual follow-up and accountability to work. But it is a GREAT idea.
Of course, the evangelical Christian church been too lenient in its toleration of divorce. And ironically, way too obsessed with the homosexual influence on the family - to the point of looking absolutely myopic and psychotic.
Evangelicals need to spend more time trying to fix the mess that heterosexuals created, i.e., the ridiculously high divorce rate and the breakdown of the family as a result of divorce. These problems were not caused by the gay community. We've been doing a bang-up job of destroying the sanctity of marriage on our own, yet I hear no one admitting it, much less spending time on solutions. How convenient.
Let's focus on our own issues (and repair them) before attempting to shift focus and lay blame on others for our own faults.
Why do we look at the speck that is in our brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in our own eye?
Yes...and it is a point I have made for years. We talk about a homosexual revolution...but what about the heterosexual (on our own terms!) revolution. Porn, adultery, divorce, fatherlessness, abortions...and we think we have moral authority to speak to the homosexual community?
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I SEE IT AS AN EASY "YES". THE QUESTION I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER TO IS "WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DO TO FIX THE BIGGER PROBLEM? AND HOW WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE, TURN YOUR MEMBERS OUT OF THE CHURCH IF THEIR MARRAIGE ENDS?"
BUT ITS DEFFINATELY A TOPIC THAT NEEDS CONSTANT ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY AMONG CHRISTIANS, I THINK PEOPLE GO INTO MARRAIGE TO EASIY, NOT REALIZING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE "COVENANT" THEY ARE ENTERING INTO.
God warns over and over again not to be like the people around them. And over and over again they become like the people around them. Alas, the church has this same "over and over" problem...we reflect the values of the culture on this issue and others instead of the values of God.
JM
I THINK PEOPLE GO INTO MARRAIGE TO EASIY, NOT REALIZING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE "COVENANT"
I'd agree with the statement above. Before increasing focus on the reactive side of the equation I'd like to see the church double or triple its effort on the front end, the proactive side. Help couples build stronger relationships from the outset. Quality assurance, not quality control.
They should follow the Catholic Church in this area. Marraige is a Sacramental union between a man a woman and God. This is not to be entered into or dissolved lightly
Yes, but there are far more bad tolerances; such as homosexuality, too much entertainment and not enough of God's word taught in youth groups( by Youth leaders). I know of a church in the tri-county area that was throwing out Bibles.
By the way, we saved those Bibles and gave them to ministries and small churches.
I know of a church that removed books of the Bible. Who choose the books that make up your Bible?
One idea that some communities have embraced: Covenant marriages. Local pastors agree that they will not marry couples who have not gone through comprehensive pre-marital counseling. Couples may still be married by judges, but the churches bind together to set a higher standard for marriages sanctioned by the church. This not only helps the couples, it sends a signal to the community: We ARE different than the culture. Would it work here? Stuart Kellogg
Stu:
Forrest Thigpen tried that covenant marriage idea here in the Metro Area some years ago and has data to suggest that it was successful. With so many other things, it needs continual follow-up and accountability to work. But it is a GREAT idea.
Matt
Yes, we are too lenient on many things! But this would be a good start!
Of course, the evangelical Christian church been too lenient in its toleration of divorce. And ironically, way too obsessed with the homosexual influence on the family - to the point of looking absolutely myopic and psychotic.
Evangelicals need to spend more time trying to fix the mess that heterosexuals created, i.e., the ridiculously high divorce rate and the breakdown of the family as a result of divorce. These problems were not caused by the gay community. We've been doing a bang-up job of destroying the sanctity of marriage on our own, yet I hear no one admitting it, much less spending time on solutions. How convenient.
Let's focus on our own issues (and repair them) before attempting to shift focus and lay blame on others for our own faults.
Why do we look at the speck that is in our brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in our own eye?
bryan c:
Yes...and it is a point I have made for years. We talk about a homosexual revolution...but what about the heterosexual (on our own terms!) revolution. Porn, adultery, divorce, fatherlessness, abortions...and we think we have moral authority to speak to the homosexual community?
And yet, some of us must.
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