Women on voting for women
A flash poll on our radio broadcast today:Ladies: would you vote for a woman for president.62%!
From the American Family Radio of Mississippi listening audience, 62% said "no."
Wow.
The balance would say that Condoleeza Rice was an example of someone who they could vote for, until I reminded them that she was pro-abortion. A fact or two tends to change the direction of otherwise sensible thinking.
At any rate, the latest poll (Harris) says that a whole bunch of folks - half! - won't vote for Hillary. It is early in the campaign, but a whole lot of women seem to agree that a vote for Ms. Clinton is unpalatable.
Labels: Flash poll
posted by Matt Friedeman at
6:57 PM
12 Comments:
Flawed poll; self-selecting. Over looks the vast majority of people who don't subscribe to extreme right wing views. But, don't let that stop the groupthink parade you have going there.
It is called a flash poll. Naturally it is going to be slanted towards those who listen to this type of program. Once you use terms like "extreme right wing views", you lose credibility and show your intolerance of those with differing opinions.
I am a man and I cannot say I would not vote for a woman. I can say that I would not vote for any of the current women in position to run.
Dr. Thornberry!
Retreat, man, retreat! Someone figured out our "flawed poll" thing. "Anonymous" got it...man, s/he really got it. It is not scientific!
Shock! Dismay! Ruin!
Matt
I think the sad part about it is that in order to slam Hilliary, alot of women will trash women in general. I hear Conservatives praise Margaret Thatcher all the time and never make mention that her being a woman was a hinderance to her performance. If this was Condoleeza Rice and she was Pro-life, the results would be different. To still have to ask questions like this means that we still have a ways to go. Would you vote for a black man? Would you vote for a woman? The questions exist because we have obstacles we have not overcome. I am black and no one has ever asked me if I would vote for a white person or a man. I guess it is just a forgone conclusion. To even ask the question implies that there are something wrong with women or blacks, etc.
Larry,
Intolerance of others? I'm sorry but you folks on the extreme right have that locked up. I mean, take a look at Dr. Dobson's snubbing of Fred Thompson recently because Dobsn "Doesn't think Thompson is a Christian." (Yet, Doboson runs to praise the admitted adulterer Gingrich. Not to mention rallying around Mark Foley and Ted Haggard).
The problem I had with this post it is used a worthless poll to slam Hillary in a back-handed manner (and on account of her gender nonttheless). Most people that read this will walk away thinking most women won't vote for another women. This "poll" takes the views of a small segment of a small segment of a small segment. But, hey, as long as it reinforces the groupthink, who cares about not being Duplicitous?!
Matt, you fail at sarcasm.
Adedney, exactly! I agree 100%! But, don't try to impose facts and reality on Matt. He will just runaway in a shocked manner full of dismay and ruin.
There you go again with "you folks on the extreme right" again. It goes to show your ability to spout the party lines but inability to communicate from your own thoughts. If I disagree with you, you accuse me of groupthink. C'mon, get original. I value other's opinions even when they are not in line with mine. It helps clarify, reaffirm and occasionally, alter my opinions. This may be considered a worthless poll. It is not scientific, but gives a glimpse into MF's listening audience.
Party line? Please, tell me what party that is. Cause as far as I know I do not claim any party at all.
Inability to communicate from your own thoughts? That is what I've been doing. But, I guess it easier to claim it's all just a "party line" rather than actually debate the ideas of others huh?
And are you denying there is are such animals as extreme right-wingers? If so then you lose all credibility. I mean, saying right-wing Christians is no different than when Matt (or others) try to slam Democrats and liberals as not being Christian (or worse). In short, get over it.
Again, the problem I have with this poll is the way it is presented. As if this repersents the ideas of women in general. It doesn't. It was nothing more than a back-handed slap at Hillary and a really a slam against women in public service. Guess they should all just stay and home and have babies huh?
I fear that you do not know any true Christians and base your limited knowledge of them on someone who claims Him but lives like (or worse than)the world. You mistake me for that stereotype. My best conversations are with a die-hard liberal that claims to be Christian. Do I think there are Democrats that are Christian? Yes I do. I cannot see how they can get the two to jive, but that does not keep me from loving and wanting to know them better. This inability to get two diametrically opposed ideals (my opinion)does not keep me from engaging them in debate or shunning them.
I do not deny that there are extreme right-wingers, but when someone uses that phrase, it is usually a sign of their ideology, the ideology of intolerance against the Christian.
Once again, this poll is going to be slanted because of those that listen to MF's show usually follow the Scripture more closely than the general public. If it was a back-handed slap, it did not come off that way to me.
Don't know Christians? Limited knowledge? And you accuse me of generalizations!
I used to be a pastor in a very very conservative denomination and spent two years at Wesley College before transferring to (and graduating from) another Christian college. No, it's not limited knowledge or anything like that. I used to be a hardcore right-winger and know exactly of what I speak. You may not like the label or extreme right-winger; but it is applicable. (To be far I also use the label liberal wackjobs too).
Some would say they can not see how one can be a Christian and be a Republican. And they cite the very reasons that you did to state the opposite situtation. Some would say that Christ was far more liberal than conservatives would like to think. People of all sides have tried to hijack Christ in order to justify their political stance.
As far as the poll, again, my beef is the way it was presented (as if it was indeed a legit poll that protrays the views of women in general). And of course it was a back-handed slap at Hillary. Believe me, there are a lot of reasons to oppose Hillary without bringing up her gender.
One should really read what is written and the intent with which it is written instead of inferring some bias. Labels do not help. I am done for the day. Please let it go and try to not be so angry about a perceived (though not intended) sleight. Love you even in your anonymity.
I do read what is there and try to speak on that. But, really, can anyone truly read and think without their own personal biases coming to play?
Not angry, just a little put off by how this poll was presented. now angry with Matt or think ill of him. I've actually been on his show about three times or so (once when he was on supertalk, and twice after he went to AFR).
The reason that I post anonymously is because if I signed in it would give a link to my personal blog. I sometimes use words there that some consider "salty". Didn't think Matt would want that link on his blog. Trying to be a little respectful here.
Thanks for the conversation. I really enjoyed it. Hope you have a great day.
I am a firm believer that you can not tell what a person is about when every thing is fine, but you learn a lot more about them when things get tight. I think back to the Harold Ford race. A guy who did not mind confessing he was a Christian and seemed to be a capable candidate. His opponent attacked him because of his color and played on stereotypes that exist about black men and it worked. As long as that kind of thing works, we will be asking questions like should a women be elected as President or a black guy or a whomever.
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